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> Tesonet initially assisted Proton with HR, payroll, and local regulation

Entirely normal behaviour for a competitor to provide “HR assistance”.





I've been part of a European startup that added offices in Asia and the US, and we initially always partnered with local companies to do this. It's mutually beneficial. It allowed us to grow more quickly, and it allowed them to make relatively easy money (and, in our case, to dump some of their shittier employees on us without us knowing).

In Proton's case, they already knew each other because Tesonet had previously offered to provide infrastructure during a DDoS attack against Proton.

So maybe it's a conspiracy, or maybe it's just how things go. You can make up your own mind, but you should provide the facts when you make sinister insinuations.


You know an awful lot of detail about the inner workings of two separate private companies though.

Is it really that shocking that someone on HN would have worked at as many as 2 private companies?

Nor is it shocking that a company with a PR issue would be astroturfing our forum.

The point is: we don't know.


I would assume that if they were astroturfing, they would be smart enough to use more than one account. Given that, I'm inclined to believe that you are part of an astroturfing campaign.

The summary is: if you use someone’s VPN, Tor, etc. you’re just setting yourself up. There is no privacy, and if you act like you want privacy, they’re going to pay more attention to you.

That's what they want you to think.

LOL, now I'm part of the conspiracy. This is all public knowledge.

Then you could provide sources, please?

Here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...

Here's the Handelsregisterauszug for Proton, which shows ownership: https://www.zefix.admin.ch/en/search/entity/list/firm/118926...

Proton's peering relationships: https://bgp.tools/as/62371#asinfo

I'm not sure what exactly you're looking for.


> Here's the Handelsregisterauszug for Proton, which shows ownership

It doesn‘t. It’s a joint-stock corporation and while the shareholders are registered, the register is not public.


Proton discloses shareholder information here: https://proton.me/support/who-owns-protonmail

But I guess they could be lying.


Them providing information isn't the same as publicly verifiable information.



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